Faith, Hard Work & the Secret Space Program
Episode 26 was split into two livestream videos because of technical difficulties. Both videos together make up the complete episode.
Wolves & Wisemen Reignited — Episode 26
About This Episode
Where does faith end and personal responsibility begin?
Episode 26 starts with two Bible verses that fit together almost perfectly:
Philippians 4:13 — God gives you the strength.
Proverbs 12:24 — Now get up and do something with it.
The guys dig into faith, discipline, laziness, work-life balance, family and the difference between working hard and allowing work to consume your life.
The conversation eventually raises a bigger question:
Are we working to live—or living to work?
Then things get weird.
The Rebel Report leads into reports and claims surrounding scientists, aerospace engineers and researchers who have died or disappeared—which becomes perfect foreshadowing for this week's Fringe Files:
The Secret Space Program.
Are there classified spacecraft?
Anti-gravity technology?
Zero-point energy?
Bases on the Moon and Mars?
A Mars Defense Force?
Reverse-engineered alien technology?
And if any of it exists, how much would governments and corporations be willing to do to keep it secret?
Faith, family, hard work, disappearing scientists, secret spacecraft and space Marines.
Just another normal episode of Wolves & Wisemen Reignited.
What We Talk About
Philippians 4:13
Proverbs 12:24
Strength through Christ
Faith during good times and bad
Discipline and consistency
Hard work
Laziness vs. recovery
Four-day workweeks
Work-life balance
Working to live vs. living to work
Family responsibilities
Raising kids
Modern cost of living
Farming and self-sufficiency
The Rebel Report
National Day of Prayer
Donald Trump reading 2 Chronicles 7:14
Christianity in America
Hillary Clinton's comments about religion and politics
Aerospace scientists and engineers
Mysterious deaths and disappearances
MLB and the Dodgers
Folks on Fire
Warren Zeiders
Faith in the music industry
Bartenders
Helping your friends
MLB groundskeepers
Sacked
Medicine-ball disaster
Martial-arts body conditioning
Skateboard accidents
Today in History
Founding of Rome
The Red Baron
Prince
Elvis Presley
The Beatles and Rolling Stones
Al Capone's vault
Boners
Classic-car prices
EV charging-station theft story
Pharmaceutical advertising
Mouth breathers
Fringe Files
The Secret Space Program
Anti-gravity
Zero-point energy
Solar Warden
Extraterrestrials
Secret Moon bases
Secret Mars bases
Black-budget programs
Bob Lazar
Element 115
Mars Defense Force
Captain K
Age-regression claims
Regression hypnosis
Gary McKinnon
“Non-terrestrial officers”
Lockheed Martin Skunk Works
Ben Rich
Reverse-engineered technology
UFO disclosure
The Check In
“I Can Do All Things Through Christ”
The first verse is one almost everyone has heard:
Philippians 4:13
“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.”
But the guys don't treat it as a promise that believing in God automatically makes everything easy.
The discussion goes in almost the opposite direction.
God provides strength.
You still have to do the work.
Faith doesn't mean hardship disappears.
It means you have somewhere to draw strength from when hardship arrives.
And that relationship shouldn't exist only when everything is falling apart.
One of the major points is remembering God when life is going well.
It's easy to pray when you're desperate.
It's just as important to pray when you're winning.
Because when everything is going right, it's easy to start believing:
I built this myself.
That's when pride starts creeping in.
Strength Doesn't Replace the Work
Philippians 4:13 becomes less about magically achieving anything you want and more about endurance.
Keep showing up.
Stay disciplined.
Stay faithful.
Keep moving when things get difficult.
God provides the strength.
But nobody is coming down from Heaven to clock in at your job for you.
You still have to move.
Which leads directly into the second verse.
Proverbs 12:24
“The hand of the diligent will rule, while the slothful will be put to forced labor.”
If Philippians tells you where the strength comes from, Proverbs tells you what you're supposed to do with it.
Move.
Build.
Work.
Stay disciplined.
Faith isn't an excuse to sit around waiting for blessings to fall into your lap.
Faith empowers the effort.
When Does Rest Become Laziness?
That's where the conversation gets interesting.
Everyone needs rest.
Everyone occasionally wants to sit on the couch, scroll through their phone and do absolutely nothing.
But where is the line between:
“I need a break.”
and
“I'm becoming lazy.”
The guys admit they don't necessarily know.
Sometimes your social battery is dead.
Sometimes you've worked all week.
Sometimes you've spent the weekend driving hundreds of miles for your kids.
Sometimes you simply don't have anything left in the tank.
That isn't necessarily the same thing as refusing to work.
Work to Live
One of the biggest discussions in the Check In becomes work-life balance.
Some people are willing to work 12- or 15-hour days every day.
Others want to work enough to build the life they actually want.
And there's a difference between being lazy and deciding that your job isn't the most important thing in your life.
One of the clearest ideas from the discussion:
“I don't live to work. I work to live.”
Not simply to survive.
To actually live.
Spend time with your kids.
Have hobbies.
Go golfing.
Build something.
Spend time with your wife.
Sit down occasionally without feeling guilty about it.
What Are You Working For?
The conversation moves from jobs into family.
Driving hundreds of miles for youth sports isn't technically your employment.
But it's still work.
Being present for your children is work.
Being a husband is work.
Building a family is work.
And the guys argue that modern life has made maintaining those relationships harder.
Housing costs money.
Fuel costs money.
Food costs money.
Everything costs more.
So people work more hours to afford the life they're supposedly working to enjoy.
Then they're too exhausted to enjoy it.
That's the trap.
Faith + Diligence
Together, the two verses become the real message of the opening discussion:
God provides the strength.
You provide the effort.
There will still be setbacks.
There will still be failures.
There will still be days when you get kicked in the teeth.
But staying disciplined, keeping your faith and continuing toward the goal can eventually move you farther than you think.
Rebel Report
National Day of Prayer
The guys discuss Donald Trump reading from 2 Chronicles 7:14 for the National Day of Prayer:
If God's people humble themselves, pray, seek Him and turn from wickedness, He will hear them, forgive them and heal their land.
The hosts appreciate hearing Scripture publicly while also making it very clear that they remain frustrated with Trump and government leadership more broadly.
The discussion turns into dissatisfaction with politicians, war, promises that haven't been fulfilled and the feeling that government continues operating differently from what voters were promised.
Christianity & Politics
The guys then react to comments attributed to Hillary Clinton concerning white Christian men, religion and attempts to “turn the clock back.”
That becomes a larger discussion about Christianity's place in American culture.
The hosts argue that more people are becoming comfortable publicly discussing their faith and that Christianity shouldn't disappear from public life simply because it makes some people uncomfortable.
The conversation is very much the hosts' interpretation and political commentary—but it ties directly back into the theme established during the Check In:
Don't be ashamed of your faith.
Why Are Scientists Disappearing?
Then Episode 26 starts getting strange.
The guys discuss reports and online claims surrounding deaths and disappearances involving scientists, aerospace engineers, pilots and researchers connected to areas such as aerospace, nuclear research and anti-gravity technology.
One story involves an aerospace engineer and military veteran killed in a plane crash with members of his family.
Other cases discussed involve researchers who allegedly disappeared or died under unusual circumstances.
The guys immediately start asking:
What were these people working on?
And more importantly:
What were they getting close to discovering?
That question becomes the bridge into Fringe Files later in the show.
Technical Difficulties
And then the computer decides it has had enough.
The livestream begins freezing.
Audio starts cutting out.
One host disappears.
Links stop cooperating.
The guys briefly end up running the show without the person actually running the show.
Eventually they abandon the original stream and move everyone into a second livestream.
Which is why Episode 26 exists as two videos.
And somehow the show continues.
Folks on Fire
Warren Zeiders
One of the best moments in Episode 26 comes from an actual interaction with country artist Warren Zeiders.
Rob attended a small VIP Q&A before Zeiders' concert.
Only around 50 people were there, with Zeiders' parents involved in the event.
After hearing him talk about family and faith, Rob asked him directly how important he believes bringing Jesus and God back into people's lives is today.
Zeiders' answer was simple:
Extremely important.
He talked about being raised in faith, drifting off the path at points in his life and believing God continually redirected him.
He also discussed using the platform he's been given to publicly give glory to God.
The interaction completely changed Rob's opinion of him.
A guy he previously liked mostly for the music became someone he respected because of what he saw behind the scenes.
Family.
Faith.
And being willing to talk publicly about Jesus.
That's Folks on Fire material.
Bartenders
Another Folks on Fire goes to an underappreciated group:
Bartenders trying to control 47 televisions with 19 different remotes.
If you've ever watched a bartender point a remote toward the ceiling, behind their back, sideways and possibly toward another dimension just trying to get the football game on the right television—you understand.
Respect the struggle.
Rob
Rob himself also lands on Folks on Fire.
After overhearing that a friend's yard needed serious work, he volunteered to help.
Unfortunately, they actually accepted the offer.
Four hours later, they'd filled essentially an entire dump trailer with trees, bushes, tumbleweeds, leaves, boxes and assorted yard debris.
Sometimes Folks on Fire isn't somebody famous.
Sometimes it's just your buddy showing up when you need help.
MLB Groundskeepers
Major League Baseball groundskeepers also get recognition.
Professional baseball fields don't magically look perfect.
Someone has to maintain the grass, dirt, basepaths, mound and everything else players depend on.
Anyone who has played baseball on a terrible field understands how much those crews matter.
Sacked
Then comes the segment dedicated to men experiencing every man's universal nightmare.
Medicine Ball
A guy in the gym attempts a workout involving a medicine ball.
The workout does not go according to plan.
The approximately 15-pound ball eventually introduces itself directly to an area where a 15-pound medicine ball should never be introduced.
Workout over.
Martial-Arts Body Conditioning
Next comes a group apparently practicing extreme body conditioning.
Including conditioning one particular area that nobody in the studio can understand why anyone would intentionally condition.
The guys spend most of the clip trying to determine what kind of battle these men are preparing for where repeatedly being kicked in the groin is a required skill.
No satisfactory answer is reached.
Skateboard vs. Manhood
A skateboarder completes the Sacked lineup by discovering another important law of physics:
A skateboard traveling directly into your groin will immediately rearrange your priorities.
Today in History
Episode 26 jumps around history with some memorable dates.
The Founding of Rome
The guys discuss the traditional founding of Rome by Romulus and Remus—the twins famously associated with being raised by a she-wolf.
Which naturally produces exactly the mature historical discussion you'd expect from this podcast.
The Red Baron
German World War I flying ace Manfred von Richthofen—the Red Baron—is remembered around the anniversary of his death.
General Motors
GM's production of its 100 millionth American-made vehicle makes the list.
Prince
Prince's death in 2016 comes up.
Elvis Presley
“Heartbreak Hotel” reaching number one enters the conversation.
The Beatles Meet the Rolling Stones
The first meeting between two of the biggest bands in music history gets recognition.
Geraldo Rivera Opens Al Capone's Vault
And in one of television history's greatest examples of building enormous hype around absolutely nothing:
Geraldo Rivera opened Al Capone's vault.
And basically found nothing.
Congratulations, television.
Boners
Classic-Car Prices
The first Boner goes to people asking ridiculous money for completely destroyed classic cars.
The example is a 1963 split-window Corvette shell reportedly listed around $38,000.
No engine.
Barely a car.
Still priced like somebody should be able to drive it home.
The guys understand restored classics being expensive.
What they don't understand is paying tens of thousands of dollars for something that still requires tens of thousands more just to become a functioning automobile.
The EV Charging-Station Theft Story
Another Boner involves a story presented on the show about a thief allegedly attempting to steal copper wiring from an EV charging station, being electrocuted and his family later suing the operator.
The story is used as the perfect example of:
Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
Pharmaceutical Commercials
Then an unscheduled Boner emerges during the conversation:
Prescription-drug commercials.
The complaint expands into the amount of pharmaceutical advertising shown during sports and other programming, especially advertisements that lead children to ask questions parents weren't expecting to explain during a baseball game.
It quickly becomes one of the bigger rants of the segment.
Mouth Breathers
And finally:
Mouth breathers.
No elaborate explanation necessary.
Apparently they know what they did.
Fringe Files
The Secret Space Program
Now Episode 26 goes completely off the reservation.
The guys revisit one of the biggest conspiracy rabbit holes:
What if America's publicly known space program isn't the real space program?
The Secret Space Program theory claims that classified government or military projects may possess technology decades—or potentially much farther—ahead of anything publicly acknowledged.
Claims surrounding the theory include:
Advanced spacecraft
Anti-gravity propulsion
Zero-point energy
Secret Moon bases
Secret Mars bases
Human experimentation
Enhanced soldiers
Cooperation with extraterrestrials
Classified fleets
“Solar Warden”
Black-budget operations
The show treats these as conspiracy claims and explores how the pieces are alleged to connect.
Scientists Getting Too Close
This connects directly back to the Rebel Report.
The guys discuss claims that scientists working in aerospace, advanced propulsion and related fields have disappeared or died under suspicious circumstances.
Their theory:
Maybe some researchers are being allowed to follow breadcrumbs.
But once they get too close to something truly classified, somebody shuts the door.
Permanently.
Again, it's conspiracy territory.
But it raises the question driving the entire segment:
If revolutionary technology existed, who would have the most to lose if it became public?
Follow the Money
The guys' answer is:
Everybody making money from the existing system.
Energy.
Oil.
Natural gas.
Electricity.
Automobiles.
Infrastructure.
Imagine technology that could produce enormous amounts of essentially free energy.
No electric bill.
No gasoline.
No natural gas.
No massive energy infrastructure.
Whether such technology actually exists is another question.
But if it did?
The financial disruption would be enormous.
And that's where the conspiracy starts making sense to the guys.
Not necessarily aliens.
Money.
Bob Lazar & Element 115
No Secret Space Program discussion would be complete without Bob Lazar.
The guys revisit Lazar's claims about working around advanced craft and attempts to reverse-engineer technology allegedly not created by humans.
Element 115 enters the conversation along with stories surrounding people who supposedly worked on the technology before him.
Lazar remains one of those figures who keeps appearing whenever conversations about secret government technology, UFOs and reverse engineering begin overlapping.
Captain K & the Mars Defense Force
And then we go from weird to completely insane.
The guys revisit the story of a man sometimes referred to as Captain K, who claimed he was recruited while young into a secret military space program.
According to the story discussed on the show, he claimed involvement with operations on the Moon and eventually something called the:
Mars Defense Force.
Yes.
Space Marines.
The story includes alleged bases, battles with nonhuman beings, advanced technology and even age-regression treatments supposedly used to return participants to their previous age and suppress memories.
The guys acknowledge how completely insane the story sounds.
But one thing keeps them interested:
The consistency with which some of these stories have allegedly been told.
Regression Hypnosis
Captain K reportedly claimed that memories of his alleged service began returning through dreams and later through regression-style hypnosis.
The guys discuss other people who have made similar claims involving Moon bases, Mars facilities and secret military operations.
Does that prove anything?
No.
But it's exactly the kind of story Fringe Files was created for.
Gary McKinnon
Then comes one of the more famous names connected to Secret Space Program lore:
Gary McKinnon.
McKinnon accessed U.S. government computer systems while searching for evidence surrounding UFOs and suppressed technology.
The guys focus on one of the most famous claims associated with his story:
A reference to alleged “non-terrestrial officers.”
What exactly would that phrase mean?
Officers who aren't human?
Or human military personnel stationed somewhere other than Earth?
That ambiguity has fueled conspiracy theories for years.
Ben Rich & Skunk Works
The conversation then moves to Ben Rich, the former head of Lockheed's Skunk Works.
The guys discuss stories attributed to Rich suggesting that classified aerospace programs possessed technology far beyond what the public knew existed.
And Skunk Works makes the conversation especially interesting because we know classified aerospace technology can remain hidden.
Aircraft such as advanced stealth platforms existed in secret before becoming public knowledge.
So the question becomes:
If those programs were decades ahead of what civilians knew about, what exists today that we still haven't seen?
Reverse Engineering
The guys finish the rabbit hole by looking at the speed of technological advancement.
Humanity went from early airplanes to stealth aircraft remarkably quickly.
Then computers exploded.
The internet arrived.
Smartphones appeared.
Wireless communication became normal.
Technology that would have looked like magic a few generations ago now sits in everyone's pocket.
So where did the acceleration come from?
Normal human innovation?
Massive investment?
Classified military research?
Or, as Secret Space Program believers argue:
Reverse-engineered technology from somewhere else?
Nobody on the show can prove it.
But that's exactly why it belongs in Fringe Files.
The Question Episode 26 Leaves Behind
Episode 26 actually has two themes that strangely connect.
The first half asks:
What are you doing with the strength and opportunities you've been given?
The second asks:
What technology and information might be hidden from the people doing all the work?
Faith says stay grounded.
Proverbs says stay diligent.
Modern life says keep working.
And Fringe Files asks whether somebody somewhere already has technology that could change the entire system.
Maybe it's all nonsense.
Maybe there's a secret fleet flying between the Moon and Mars.
Either way:
Stay diligent. Stay faithful. And apparently keep one eye on the sky.
Watch Episode 26
Episode 26 was interrupted by technical problems during the original livestream, so the complete episode is presented in two videos.
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